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Cita de: Mistermaguf en Marzo 30, 2025, 22:09:02 pmCita de: sudden and sharp en Marzo 30, 2025, 15:40:43 pmCita de: Urbanismo en Marzo 30, 2025, 11:24:56 amEl desguace.[...] la lógica, el sentido común, las leyes inmutables de la historia acabarían con todo este desbarajuste, a lo mejor lo hacen, pero será cuando esto sea un páramo yermo, y es posible que dentro de tres o cuatro generaciones levantamos la cabeza, no lo sé, yo no lo veré, espero que mis nietos que ahora están naciendo lo vean.[...] Un saludo, y recuerden, tengan mucho cuidado ahi fuera, pero mucho, mucho, muchoEmpecemos nosotros; negándonos a aceptar esas supuestas leyes inmutables... que ni están, ni se las espera. La Historia la hacen personas que son lo más mutable que nos podemos echar a la cara.Lo que sigue siendo válido es eso de no creerse nada al final de las burbujas. Empecemos por no trgar con leyes inmutables de molino.Pues la historia también es parte de la física y la termodinámica...digo yo Precisamente pensaba en la termodinámica a cuenta de esto. Pero creo que la termodinámica, en particular la ley de la entropia o ley de la degradación entrópica es una ley inexorable, que no inmutable, que se caracteriza entre otras cosas por su indeterminación. Interesante tema.
Cita de: sudden and sharp en Marzo 30, 2025, 15:40:43 pmCita de: Urbanismo en Marzo 30, 2025, 11:24:56 amEl desguace.[...] la lógica, el sentido común, las leyes inmutables de la historia acabarían con todo este desbarajuste, a lo mejor lo hacen, pero será cuando esto sea un páramo yermo, y es posible que dentro de tres o cuatro generaciones levantamos la cabeza, no lo sé, yo no lo veré, espero que mis nietos que ahora están naciendo lo vean.[...] Un saludo, y recuerden, tengan mucho cuidado ahi fuera, pero mucho, mucho, muchoEmpecemos nosotros; negándonos a aceptar esas supuestas leyes inmutables... que ni están, ni se las espera. La Historia la hacen personas que son lo más mutable que nos podemos echar a la cara.Lo que sigue siendo válido es eso de no creerse nada al final de las burbujas. Empecemos por no trgar con leyes inmutables de molino.Pues la historia también es parte de la física y la termodinámica...digo yo
Cita de: Urbanismo en Marzo 30, 2025, 11:24:56 amEl desguace.[...] la lógica, el sentido común, las leyes inmutables de la historia acabarían con todo este desbarajuste, a lo mejor lo hacen, pero será cuando esto sea un páramo yermo, y es posible que dentro de tres o cuatro generaciones levantamos la cabeza, no lo sé, yo no lo veré, espero que mis nietos que ahora están naciendo lo vean.[...] Un saludo, y recuerden, tengan mucho cuidado ahi fuera, pero mucho, mucho, muchoEmpecemos nosotros; negándonos a aceptar esas supuestas leyes inmutables... que ni están, ni se las espera. La Historia la hacen personas que son lo más mutable que nos podemos echar a la cara.Lo que sigue siendo válido es eso de no creerse nada al final de las burbujas. Empecemos por no trgar con leyes inmutables de molino.
El desguace.[...] la lógica, el sentido común, las leyes inmutables de la historia acabarían con todo este desbarajuste, a lo mejor lo hacen, pero será cuando esto sea un páramo yermo, y es posible que dentro de tres o cuatro generaciones levantamos la cabeza, no lo sé, yo no lo veré, espero que mis nietos que ahora están naciendo lo vean.[...] Un saludo, y recuerden, tengan mucho cuidado ahi fuera, pero mucho, mucho, mucho
FICHA || PRIMERO, DESTRUCCIÓN DEL TRABAJO; DESPUÉS, DEL CAPITAL.—La historia tiene leyes objetivas no inmutables.
Cita de: asustadísimos en Marzo 31, 2025, 15:39:00 pmFICHA || PRIMERO, DESTRUCCIÓN DEL TRABAJO; DESPUÉS, DEL CAPITAL.—La historia tiene leyes objetivas no inmutables.Sólo un matiz: la historia no tiene leyes. No puede tenerlas. Por definición. Ni inmutables, ni objetivas, ni imaginarias.
The Costs of Courting Trump Are Piling Up for Giorgia MeloniItalian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni on video call during the CPAC in Maryland on Feb. 22.Photographer: Kent Nishimura/BloombergGiorgia Meloni had hoped a line in to Donald Trump would consolidate her position at the center of European politics.The Italian prime minister was the only European leader to attend Trump’s January inauguration. She also met with the president in Mar-a-Lago, had close ties to Elon Musk and said she was expecting a visit to the White House.Her idea, according to officials familiar with her thinking, had been to use that trip to secure at least a partial carve out from US tariffs on imports from the European Union. But a firm date still hasn’t materialized, the officials said.Last Wednesday, Italian carmakers’ $3.3 billion of US sales were hit by the same 25% levies as those in the rest of the EU. The next wave of US tariffs, due to be announced this week, could be far more damaging to the country’s economy and to a prime minister who is suddenly looking under pressure. A spokesperson for the Italian government declined to comment.Meloni at the presidential inauguration in Washington on Jan. 20 Photographer: Shawn Thew/EPA/BloombergAfter almost two and a half years in power, her governing coalition has been hit by its most serious bout of public feuding. The EU push for concrete commitments on defense spending and support for Ukraine has underlined the financial limits that have hampered Italian leaders for years. And the unraveling of the transatlantic relationship means that rather than forming a bridge, she most likely has to pick sides.She has insisted that’s not the case. But sticking to her course risks a loss of influence for the Italian leader on the international stage and it’s already putting some strain on her government.“Her balancing act is beginning to show its price,” said Beniamino Irdi, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and a former Italian government official. “The pressure Meloni faces both abroad and at home is a backlash from her attempt to bridge a transatlantic gap that proved too wide.”Meloni and her staff are hugely concerned about Trump’s behavior, according to Italian officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. She has been scrupulous about avoiding any public criticism of the US president and anything she says on trade or the push for peace in Ukraine is carefully calibrated so as not to antagonize the White House.All the same, Italian carmakers such as Stellantis NV will be hit by US tariffs announced last week and supercar maker Ferrari NV said it will raise prices on some models in US. Over the weekend, the Trump administration revoked permission for Eni SpA to be paid for gas it produces in Venezuela, where the Italian energy company had about €320 million of total revenue in 2023.Newly manufactured Alfa Romeo vehicles parked at the Stellantis NV factory in Cassino, Italy. Photographer: Alessia Pierdomenico/BloombergFrance’s Emmanuel Macron, who has sustained a relationship with Trump despite their many disagreements, appears to be the European leader with the president’s ear. He speaks regularly to the US leader and debriefed him for more than half an hour after an EU summit this month, a French official said previously.The Italian leader had positioned herself as a key player both in the EU and in relations with the US. Hosting the Group of Seven summit last year had displayed her ability to cross political divides at a time of increasing fragmentation as she was courted by leaders from all sides.She secured a key position as vice president of the European Commission for her ally, Raffaele Fitto, when the EU appointed its new executive, despite keeping her distance from the commission president, Ursula von der Leyen. Her initial dealings with Trump were promising too.In January, she was in Mar-a-Lago just as Rome negotiated a prisoner swap with Tehran and Washington. Last month, she was invited to address CPAC, a conservative gathering held just outside Washington, where she made the case for protecting trade ties between the US and Europe.Part of that access was built on her rapport with Musk, the billionaire entrepreneur who’s become a key adviser to Trump and spoke at a rally held by Meloni’s party in 2023.But Italy has since paused talks on a €1.5 billion deal to deploy his Starlink system for government and military communication, with Meloni telling allies that shifting geopolitics means that an alternative is required.Meloni has tried to reach out through diplomats to open up another line into the White House, but that’s borne little fruit so far, Italian officials said, amid a broader upheaval in the way the US deals with its international partners.“The UK and Italy can play an important role in bridge building,” Meloni said March 2 before a meeting with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer. “It is very important that we avoid the risk that the west divides.”Keir Starmer hosts Volodymyr Zelenskiy and more than a dozen European leaders including Meloni, top right, in London on March 2. Photographer: Neil Hall/EPA/BloombergMeloni is against sending Italian troops to Ukraine but has backed the idea of giving Kyiv NATO-like security guarantees without full membership of the alliance. That’s a proposal that Macron’s office said Thursday it is considering among many other options.To be sure, Meloni still has a reasonable position in Europe. Her government is one of the more stable in the region and Italian bonds are trading close to their tightest spread over German bunds since the euro crisis blew up almost 15 years ago. What’s more, a major push to boost European defense spending could boost Italian industry and the state-controlled defense company Leonardo is well positioned to take advantage.Nevertheless, her cooling relations with the White House are feeding into her troubles at home, where she’s also facing increasing indiscipline from the two vice premiers who lead her key coalition partners.Matteo Salvini of nationalist party the League was touted as a potential prime minister himself in the past. As Meloni has dialed back her enthusiasm for Trump’s approach, Salvini, who’s long been sympathetic to Russia, has reached out to the White House in a bid to raise his own profile.Following a call with US Vice President JD Vance this month, Salvini even floated the possibility that he might get an invite to Washington himself.That enraged Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani, of the center right Forza Italia, who called out Salvini for overstepping his remit as transport minister and dismissed the League as “blabbermouth populists.”But Salvini is holding his ground, and says he is preparing a mission to the US with Italian companies.Meloni with Antonio Tajani, left, and Matteo Salvini, in Rome. Photographer: Alessia Pierdomenico/BloombergOn Saturday, Meloni spoke at a political event in Rome and argued that Italy needs to increase defense spending, adding a coded jab at the League, which has flip flopped on the issue and now opposes her position. "Expenditure in defense and security is the price of your freedom," she said.Those coalition dynamics highlight the balancing act that Meloni has to pull off — the Italian public sees the war in Ukraine as a distant problem, her EU partners are rallying support for Kyiv and the White House is pushing for a ceasefire with, apparently, little regard for the concerns of the Ukrainian government.“It won’t be enough to try and mollify Trump by using carefully calibrated words — he is the one breaking with the alliance,” said Lia Quartapelle, a lawmaker for the opposition Democratic Party. “The tightrope Meloni is walking is getting thinner and thinner.”
Cita de: Mistermaguf en Marzo 30, 2025, 22:09:02 pmCita de: sudden and sharp en Marzo 30, 2025, 15:40:43 pmCita de: Urbanismo en Marzo 30, 2025, 11:24:56 amEl desguace.[...] la lógica, el sentido común, las leyes inmutables de la historia acabarían con todo este desbarajuste, a lo mejor lo hacen, pero será cuando esto sea un páramo yermo, y es posible que dentro de tres o cuatro generaciones levantamos la cabeza, no lo sé, yo no lo veré, espero que mis nietos que ahora están naciendo lo vean.[...] Un saludo, y recuerden, tengan mucho cuidado ahi fuera, pero mucho, mucho, muchoEmpecemos nosotros; negándonos a aceptar esas supuestas leyes inmutables... que ni están, ni se las espera. La Historia la hacen personas que son lo más mutable que nos podemos echar a la cara.Lo que sigue siendo válido es eso de no creerse nada al final de las burbujas. Empecemos por no trgar con leyes inmutables de molino.Pues la historia también es parte de la física y la termodinámica...digo yo Pues dices mal.
Cita de: sudden and sharp en Marzo 31, 2025, 07:43:04 amCita de: Mistermaguf en Marzo 30, 2025, 22:09:02 pmCita de: sudden and sharp en Marzo 30, 2025, 15:40:43 pmCita de: Urbanismo en Marzo 30, 2025, 11:24:56 amEl desguace.[...] la lógica, el sentido común, las leyes inmutables de la historia acabarían con todo este desbarajuste, a lo mejor lo hacen, pero será cuando esto sea un páramo yermo, y es posible que dentro de tres o cuatro generaciones levantamos la cabeza, no lo sé, yo no lo veré, espero que mis nietos que ahora están naciendo lo vean.[...] Un saludo, y recuerden, tengan mucho cuidado ahi fuera, pero mucho, mucho, muchoEmpecemos nosotros; negándonos a aceptar esas supuestas leyes inmutables... que ni están, ni se las espera. La Historia la hacen personas que son lo más mutable que nos podemos echar a la cara.Lo que sigue siendo válido es eso de no creerse nada al final de las burbujas. Empecemos por no trgar con leyes inmutables de molino.Pues la historia también es parte de la física y la termodinámica...digo yo Pues dices mal.Mi frase es gramaticalmente impecable.Ahora, si lo que quieres señalar es que el concepto expresado te parece equivocado, bienvenidas las argumentaciones.
Cita de: Cadavre Exquis en Marzo 31, 2025, 08:16:35 amCitarChina is Already Testing AI-Powered Humanoid Robots in FactoriesPosted by EditorDavid on Sunday March 30, 2025 @07:11PM from the some-assembly-required dept.The U.S. and China "are racing to build a truly useful humanoid worker," the Wall Street Journal wrote Saturday, adding that "Whoever wins could gain a huge edge in countless industries.""The time has come for robots," Nvidia's chief executive said at a conference in March, adding "This could very well be the largest industry of all."CitarChina's government has said it wants the country to be a world leader in humanoid robots by 2027. "Embodied" AI is listed as a priority of a new $138 billion state venture investment fund, encouraging private-sector investors and companies to pile into the business. It looks like the beginning of a familiar tale. Chinese companies make most of the world's EVs, ships and solar panels — in each case, propelled by government subsidies and friendly regulations. "They have more companies developing humanoids and more government support than anyone else. So, right now, they may have an edge," said Jeff Burnstein [president of the Association for Advancing Automation, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Michigan]....Humanoid robots need three-dimensional data to understand physics, and much of it has to be created from scratch. That is where China has a distinct edge: The country is home to an immense number of factories where humanoid robots can absorb data about the world while performing tasks. "The reason why China is making rapid progress today is because we are combining it with actual applications and iterating and improving rapidly in real scenarios," said Cheng Yuhang, a sales director with Deep Robotics, one of China's robot startups. "This is something the U.S. can't match." UBTech, the startup that is training humanoid robots to sort and carry auto parts, has partnerships with top Chinese automakers including Geely... "A problem can be solved in a month in the lab, but it may only take days in a real environment," said a manager at UBTech...With China's manufacturing prowess, a locally built robot could eventually cost less than half as much as one built elsewhere, said Ming Hsun Lee, a Bank of America analyst. He said he based his estimates on China's electric-vehicle industry, which has grown rapidly to account for roughly 70% of global EV production. "I think humanoid robots will be another EV industry for China," he said. The UBTech robot system, called Walker S, currently costs hundreds of thousands of dollars including software, according to people close to the company. UBTech plans to deliver 500 to 1,000 of its Walker S robots to clients this year, including the Apple supplier Foxconn. It hopes to increase deliveries to more than 10,000 in 2027.Few companies outside China have started selling AI-powered humanoid robots. Industry insiders expect the competition to play out over decades, as the robots tackle more-complicated environments, such as private homes.The article notes "several" U.S. humanoid robot producers, including the startup Figure. And robots from Amazon's Agility Robotics have been tested in Amazon warehouses since 2023. "The U.S. still has advantages in semiconductors, software and some precision components," the article points out.But "Some lawmakers have urged the White House to ban Chinese humanoids from the U.S. and further restrict Chinese robot makers' access to American technology, citing national-security concerns..."Saludos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2UxtKLZnNoMe recuerda a la carrera espacial. (Que era la carrera por misiles intercontinentales disfrazada).
CitarChina is Already Testing AI-Powered Humanoid Robots in FactoriesPosted by EditorDavid on Sunday March 30, 2025 @07:11PM from the some-assembly-required dept.The U.S. and China "are racing to build a truly useful humanoid worker," the Wall Street Journal wrote Saturday, adding that "Whoever wins could gain a huge edge in countless industries.""The time has come for robots," Nvidia's chief executive said at a conference in March, adding "This could very well be the largest industry of all."CitarChina's government has said it wants the country to be a world leader in humanoid robots by 2027. "Embodied" AI is listed as a priority of a new $138 billion state venture investment fund, encouraging private-sector investors and companies to pile into the business. It looks like the beginning of a familiar tale. Chinese companies make most of the world's EVs, ships and solar panels — in each case, propelled by government subsidies and friendly regulations. "They have more companies developing humanoids and more government support than anyone else. So, right now, they may have an edge," said Jeff Burnstein [president of the Association for Advancing Automation, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Michigan]....Humanoid robots need three-dimensional data to understand physics, and much of it has to be created from scratch. That is where China has a distinct edge: The country is home to an immense number of factories where humanoid robots can absorb data about the world while performing tasks. "The reason why China is making rapid progress today is because we are combining it with actual applications and iterating and improving rapidly in real scenarios," said Cheng Yuhang, a sales director with Deep Robotics, one of China's robot startups. "This is something the U.S. can't match." UBTech, the startup that is training humanoid robots to sort and carry auto parts, has partnerships with top Chinese automakers including Geely... "A problem can be solved in a month in the lab, but it may only take days in a real environment," said a manager at UBTech...With China's manufacturing prowess, a locally built robot could eventually cost less than half as much as one built elsewhere, said Ming Hsun Lee, a Bank of America analyst. He said he based his estimates on China's electric-vehicle industry, which has grown rapidly to account for roughly 70% of global EV production. "I think humanoid robots will be another EV industry for China," he said. The UBTech robot system, called Walker S, currently costs hundreds of thousands of dollars including software, according to people close to the company. UBTech plans to deliver 500 to 1,000 of its Walker S robots to clients this year, including the Apple supplier Foxconn. It hopes to increase deliveries to more than 10,000 in 2027.Few companies outside China have started selling AI-powered humanoid robots. Industry insiders expect the competition to play out over decades, as the robots tackle more-complicated environments, such as private homes.The article notes "several" U.S. humanoid robot producers, including the startup Figure. And robots from Amazon's Agility Robotics have been tested in Amazon warehouses since 2023. "The U.S. still has advantages in semiconductors, software and some precision components," the article points out.But "Some lawmakers have urged the White House to ban Chinese humanoids from the U.S. and further restrict Chinese robot makers' access to American technology, citing national-security concerns..."Saludos.
China is Already Testing AI-Powered Humanoid Robots in FactoriesPosted by EditorDavid on Sunday March 30, 2025 @07:11PM from the some-assembly-required dept.The U.S. and China "are racing to build a truly useful humanoid worker," the Wall Street Journal wrote Saturday, adding that "Whoever wins could gain a huge edge in countless industries.""The time has come for robots," Nvidia's chief executive said at a conference in March, adding "This could very well be the largest industry of all."CitarChina's government has said it wants the country to be a world leader in humanoid robots by 2027. "Embodied" AI is listed as a priority of a new $138 billion state venture investment fund, encouraging private-sector investors and companies to pile into the business. It looks like the beginning of a familiar tale. Chinese companies make most of the world's EVs, ships and solar panels — in each case, propelled by government subsidies and friendly regulations. "They have more companies developing humanoids and more government support than anyone else. So, right now, they may have an edge," said Jeff Burnstein [president of the Association for Advancing Automation, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Michigan]....Humanoid robots need three-dimensional data to understand physics, and much of it has to be created from scratch. That is where China has a distinct edge: The country is home to an immense number of factories where humanoid robots can absorb data about the world while performing tasks. "The reason why China is making rapid progress today is because we are combining it with actual applications and iterating and improving rapidly in real scenarios," said Cheng Yuhang, a sales director with Deep Robotics, one of China's robot startups. "This is something the U.S. can't match." UBTech, the startup that is training humanoid robots to sort and carry auto parts, has partnerships with top Chinese automakers including Geely... "A problem can be solved in a month in the lab, but it may only take days in a real environment," said a manager at UBTech...With China's manufacturing prowess, a locally built robot could eventually cost less than half as much as one built elsewhere, said Ming Hsun Lee, a Bank of America analyst. He said he based his estimates on China's electric-vehicle industry, which has grown rapidly to account for roughly 70% of global EV production. "I think humanoid robots will be another EV industry for China," he said. The UBTech robot system, called Walker S, currently costs hundreds of thousands of dollars including software, according to people close to the company. UBTech plans to deliver 500 to 1,000 of its Walker S robots to clients this year, including the Apple supplier Foxconn. It hopes to increase deliveries to more than 10,000 in 2027.Few companies outside China have started selling AI-powered humanoid robots. Industry insiders expect the competition to play out over decades, as the robots tackle more-complicated environments, such as private homes.The article notes "several" U.S. humanoid robot producers, including the startup Figure. And robots from Amazon's Agility Robotics have been tested in Amazon warehouses since 2023. "The U.S. still has advantages in semiconductors, software and some precision components," the article points out.But "Some lawmakers have urged the White House to ban Chinese humanoids from the U.S. and further restrict Chinese robot makers' access to American technology, citing national-security concerns..."
China's government has said it wants the country to be a world leader in humanoid robots by 2027. "Embodied" AI is listed as a priority of a new $138 billion state venture investment fund, encouraging private-sector investors and companies to pile into the business. It looks like the beginning of a familiar tale. Chinese companies make most of the world's EVs, ships and solar panels — in each case, propelled by government subsidies and friendly regulations. "They have more companies developing humanoids and more government support than anyone else. So, right now, they may have an edge," said Jeff Burnstein [president of the Association for Advancing Automation, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Michigan]....Humanoid robots need three-dimensional data to understand physics, and much of it has to be created from scratch. That is where China has a distinct edge: The country is home to an immense number of factories where humanoid robots can absorb data about the world while performing tasks. "The reason why China is making rapid progress today is because we are combining it with actual applications and iterating and improving rapidly in real scenarios," said Cheng Yuhang, a sales director with Deep Robotics, one of China's robot startups. "This is something the U.S. can't match." UBTech, the startup that is training humanoid robots to sort and carry auto parts, has partnerships with top Chinese automakers including Geely... "A problem can be solved in a month in the lab, but it may only take days in a real environment," said a manager at UBTech...With China's manufacturing prowess, a locally built robot could eventually cost less than half as much as one built elsewhere, said Ming Hsun Lee, a Bank of America analyst. He said he based his estimates on China's electric-vehicle industry, which has grown rapidly to account for roughly 70% of global EV production. "I think humanoid robots will be another EV industry for China," he said. The UBTech robot system, called Walker S, currently costs hundreds of thousands of dollars including software, according to people close to the company. UBTech plans to deliver 500 to 1,000 of its Walker S robots to clients this year, including the Apple supplier Foxconn. It hopes to increase deliveries to more than 10,000 in 2027.Few companies outside China have started selling AI-powered humanoid robots. Industry insiders expect the competition to play out over decades, as the robots tackle more-complicated environments, such as private homes.
Cita de: Zelig en Marzo 31, 2025, 15:18:24 pmCita de: Cadavre Exquis en Marzo 31, 2025, 08:16:35 amCitarChina is Already Testing AI-Powered Humanoid Robots in FactoriesPosted by EditorDavid on Sunday March 30, 2025 @07:11PM from the some-assembly-required dept.The U.S. and China "are racing to build a truly useful humanoid worker," the Wall Street Journal wrote Saturday, adding that "Whoever wins could gain a huge edge in countless industries.""The time has come for robots," Nvidia's chief executive said at a conference in March, adding "This could very well be the largest industry of all."CitarChina's government has said it wants the country to be a world leader in humanoid robots by 2027. "Embodied" AI is listed as a priority of a new $138 billion state venture investment fund, encouraging private-sector investors and companies to pile into the business. It looks like the beginning of a familiar tale. Chinese companies make most of the world's EVs, ships and solar panels — in each case, propelled by government subsidies and friendly regulations. "They have more companies developing humanoids and more government support than anyone else. So, right now, they may have an edge," said Jeff Burnstein [president of the Association for Advancing Automation, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Michigan]....Humanoid robots need three-dimensional data to understand physics, and much of it has to be created from scratch. That is where China has a distinct edge: The country is home to an immense number of factories where humanoid robots can absorb data about the world while performing tasks. "The reason why China is making rapid progress today is because we are combining it with actual applications and iterating and improving rapidly in real scenarios," said Cheng Yuhang, a sales director with Deep Robotics, one of China's robot startups. "This is something the U.S. can't match." UBTech, the startup that is training humanoid robots to sort and carry auto parts, has partnerships with top Chinese automakers including Geely... "A problem can be solved in a month in the lab, but it may only take days in a real environment," said a manager at UBTech...With China's manufacturing prowess, a locally built robot could eventually cost less than half as much as one built elsewhere, said Ming Hsun Lee, a Bank of America analyst. He said he based his estimates on China's electric-vehicle industry, which has grown rapidly to account for roughly 70% of global EV production. "I think humanoid robots will be another EV industry for China," he said. The UBTech robot system, called Walker S, currently costs hundreds of thousands of dollars including software, according to people close to the company. UBTech plans to deliver 500 to 1,000 of its Walker S robots to clients this year, including the Apple supplier Foxconn. It hopes to increase deliveries to more than 10,000 in 2027.Few companies outside China have started selling AI-powered humanoid robots. Industry insiders expect the competition to play out over decades, as the robots tackle more-complicated environments, such as private homes.The article notes "several" U.S. humanoid robot producers, including the startup Figure. And robots from Amazon's Agility Robotics have been tested in Amazon warehouses since 2023. "The U.S. still has advantages in semiconductors, software and some precision components," the article points out.But "Some lawmakers have urged the White House to ban Chinese humanoids from the U.S. and further restrict Chinese robot makers' access to American technology, citing national-security concerns..."Saludos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2UxtKLZnNoMe recuerda a la carrera espacial. (Que era la carrera por misiles intercontinentales disfrazada).Me mantengo muy escéptico con estas cosas. Que no digo que no...En mis años de vida (e incluso si tiro de historia) me he dado cuenta de una cosa (creo que ya lo he comentado aquí). Los desarrollos tecnológicos que realmente se implantan no están templando gaitas décadas.Los hermanos Wright "volaron" por primera vez en 1904, en 1910 ya se existía el correo aéreo, en 1919 se funda KLM, en la primera guerra mundial ya existía la aviación militar plenamente operativa y en los años 30 la aviación comercial era algo bastante común en el mundo civilizado.El Big Dog de Boston Dynamics se presentó en 2005. ¡Hace 20 años!.La primera computadora electrónica programable se puso a funcionar en 1945. A mediados de los 60 ya había PLCs en las fábricas (vale, en unas cuantas muy grandes), a principios de los 70 ya teníamos microprocesadores. En 1962 Boing ya tenía un departamento de CAD y a finales delos 60 Citröen tenía soluciones CAD-CAM para mecanización de piezas.Todos estos avances se hicieron de forma más o menos callada (porque adelanterse supone una ventaja), progresiva y constante. No había una comunicación dirigida a un público general en busca del Dinero de Otras Personas (que creo que es lo único que hay detrás de todo esto).Tu imagen de empresa avanzada la dabas con tus putos resultados y tus productos molones (y por dentro estaba la gente currando haciendo desarrollos sobre los papers de las universidades).Parece ser que la primera demo de la telefonía celular (había ya telefonía inalámbrica pero no celular) se hizo en 1973 y en el 79 ya había una red comercial en Japón y en 1981 otra en los Países Nórdicos, el estandar GSM es de 1991 en 2001 se lanzó el 3G. Por cierto, todo esto desarrollado fundamentalmente por los burocráticos y adversos al riesgo europeos y adoptado por los japoneses rápidamente.Lo curioso de todo esto es que nadie tenía que hacer lanzamientos al público sobre la revolucionaria tecnología que estaba desarrollando. La cosa pasaba de las universidades a los departamentos de desarrollo y de ahí a la producción y al mercado (aunque fuese restringido) y la gente lo adoptaba porque era bueno y sobre eso se iban lanzando mejoras e integraciones de tecnología.Por recordar un caso del que hemos hablado muchas veces. A mi me importa tres pepinos cómo me trae los paquetes Amazon. Lo que quiero es que sea rápido, cómodo y barato. ¿Entonces por qué se gastaron dinero diciendo que harían el reparto con drones?. Tráemelo en camello si quieres o a lomos de musarañas árticas.Esa es una forma de hacer negocios que ya sabemos de dónde viene. Nadie vendía coches diciendo que dentro de dos años tendrían dirección asistida o que incorporarían tracción a las cuatro ruedas antes de fin de año o que en cuatro años tendrían ABS.La misma filosofía del "no hacemos dinero ni sabemos como hacerlo pero seguro que en el futuro haremos mucho".Y concretando. Los campos de batalla se me hacen sitios muy jodidos para estos engendros tecnológicos. ¡Ya los son para los helicópteros de ataque! Me imagino a un batallón de perritos de estos yendo a cargar baterías. La logística de la carga es un problema interesante (como la de la gasolina, claro). Y también me gustaría saber cómo se va a solucionar el problema del proceso de un entorno como un campo de batalla cuando todavía no sabemos como hacer que un coche vaya a casa de mi abuela (si no es por carreteras marcadas y normalmente mapeadas) él solo. No sólo por el proceso en sí sino por la energía que se consumiría.El cerebro humano y sus sensores son algo tremendo, funcionan con un bocadillo de chóped y un poco de sueño de vez en cuando.
Cita de: Saturio en Abril 01, 2025, 00:53:17 amCita de: Zelig en Marzo 31, 2025, 15:18:24 pmCita de: Cadavre Exquis en Marzo 31, 2025, 08:16:35 amCitarChina is Already Testing AI-Powered Humanoid Robots in FactoriesPosted by EditorDavid on Sunday March 30, 2025 @07:11PM from the some-assembly-required dept.The U.S. and China "are racing to build a truly useful humanoid worker," the Wall Street Journal wrote Saturday, adding that "Whoever wins could gain a huge edge in countless industries.""The time has come for robots," Nvidia's chief executive said at a conference in March, adding "This could very well be the largest industry of all."CitarChina's government has said it wants the country to be a world leader in humanoid robots by 2027. "Embodied" AI is listed as a priority of a new $138 billion state venture investment fund, encouraging private-sector investors and companies to pile into the business. It looks like the beginning of a familiar tale. Chinese companies make most of the world's EVs, ships and solar panels — in each case, propelled by government subsidies and friendly regulations. "They have more companies developing humanoids and more government support than anyone else. So, right now, they may have an edge," said Jeff Burnstein [president of the Association for Advancing Automation, a trade group in Ann Arbor, Michigan]....Humanoid robots need three-dimensional data to understand physics, and much of it has to be created from scratch. That is where China has a distinct edge: The country is home to an immense number of factories where humanoid robots can absorb data about the world while performing tasks. "The reason why China is making rapid progress today is because we are combining it with actual applications and iterating and improving rapidly in real scenarios," said Cheng Yuhang, a sales director with Deep Robotics, one of China's robot startups. "This is something the U.S. can't match." UBTech, the startup that is training humanoid robots to sort and carry auto parts, has partnerships with top Chinese automakers including Geely... "A problem can be solved in a month in the lab, but it may only take days in a real environment," said a manager at UBTech...With China's manufacturing prowess, a locally built robot could eventually cost less than half as much as one built elsewhere, said Ming Hsun Lee, a Bank of America analyst. He said he based his estimates on China's electric-vehicle industry, which has grown rapidly to account for roughly 70% of global EV production. "I think humanoid robots will be another EV industry for China," he said. The UBTech robot system, called Walker S, currently costs hundreds of thousands of dollars including software, according to people close to the company. UBTech plans to deliver 500 to 1,000 of its Walker S robots to clients this year, including the Apple supplier Foxconn. It hopes to increase deliveries to more than 10,000 in 2027.Few companies outside China have started selling AI-powered humanoid robots. Industry insiders expect the competition to play out over decades, as the robots tackle more-complicated environments, such as private homes.The article notes "several" U.S. humanoid robot producers, including the startup Figure. And robots from Amazon's Agility Robotics have been tested in Amazon warehouses since 2023. "The U.S. still has advantages in semiconductors, software and some precision components," the article points out.But "Some lawmakers have urged the White House to ban Chinese humanoids from the U.S. and further restrict Chinese robot makers' access to American technology, citing national-security concerns..."Saludos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2UxtKLZnNoMe recuerda a la carrera espacial. (Que era la carrera por misiles intercontinentales disfrazada).Me mantengo muy escéptico con estas cosas. Que no digo que no...En mis años de vida (e incluso si tiro de historia) me he dado cuenta de una cosa (creo que ya lo he comentado aquí). Los desarrollos tecnológicos que realmente se implantan no están templando gaitas décadas.Los hermanos Wright "volaron" por primera vez en 1904, en 1910 ya se existía el correo aéreo, en 1919 se funda KLM, en la primera guerra mundial ya existía la aviación militar plenamente operativa y en los años 30 la aviación comercial era algo bastante común en el mundo civilizado.El Big Dog de Boston Dynamics se presentó en 2005. ¡Hace 20 años!.La primera computadora electrónica programable se puso a funcionar en 1945. A mediados de los 60 ya había PLCs en las fábricas (vale, en unas cuantas muy grandes), a principios de los 70 ya teníamos microprocesadores. En 1962 Boing ya tenía un departamento de CAD y a finales delos 60 Citröen tenía soluciones CAD-CAM para mecanización de piezas.Todos estos avances se hicieron de forma más o menos callada (porque adelanterse supone una ventaja), progresiva y constante. No había una comunicación dirigida a un público general en busca del Dinero de Otras Personas (que creo que es lo único que hay detrás de todo esto).Tu imagen de empresa avanzada la dabas con tus putos resultados y tus productos molones (y por dentro estaba la gente currando haciendo desarrollos sobre los papers de las universidades).Parece ser que la primera demo de la telefonía celular (había ya telefonía inalámbrica pero no celular) se hizo en 1973 y en el 79 ya había una red comercial en Japón y en 1981 otra en los Países Nórdicos, el estandar GSM es de 1991 en 2001 se lanzó el 3G. Por cierto, todo esto desarrollado fundamentalmente por los burocráticos y adversos al riesgo europeos y adoptado por los japoneses rápidamente.Lo curioso de todo esto es que nadie tenía que hacer lanzamientos al público sobre la revolucionaria tecnología que estaba desarrollando. La cosa pasaba de las universidades a los departamentos de desarrollo y de ahí a la producción y al mercado (aunque fuese restringido) y la gente lo adoptaba porque era bueno y sobre eso se iban lanzando mejoras e integraciones de tecnología.Por recordar un caso del que hemos hablado muchas veces. A mi me importa tres pepinos cómo me trae los paquetes Amazon. Lo que quiero es que sea rápido, cómodo y barato. ¿Entonces por qué se gastaron dinero diciendo que harían el reparto con drones?. Tráemelo en camello si quieres o a lomos de musarañas árticas.Esa es una forma de hacer negocios que ya sabemos de dónde viene. Nadie vendía coches diciendo que dentro de dos años tendrían dirección asistida o que incorporarían tracción a las cuatro ruedas antes de fin de año o que en cuatro años tendrían ABS.La misma filosofía del "no hacemos dinero ni sabemos como hacerlo pero seguro que en el futuro haremos mucho".Y concretando. Los campos de batalla se me hacen sitios muy jodidos para estos engendros tecnológicos. ¡Ya los son para los helicópteros de ataque! Me imagino a un batallón de perritos de estos yendo a cargar baterías. La logística de la carga es un problema interesante (como la de la gasolina, claro). Y también me gustaría saber cómo se va a solucionar el problema del proceso de un entorno como un campo de batalla cuando todavía no sabemos como hacer que un coche vaya a casa de mi abuela (si no es por carreteras marcadas y normalmente mapeadas) él solo. No sólo por el proceso en sí sino por la energía que se consumiría.El cerebro humano y sus sensores son algo tremendo, funcionan con un bocadillo de chóped y un poco de sueño de vez en cuando.Es que rechina mucho.Si fuese tan maravilloso como dicen, se vendería solo y ya habría reemplazado todo en cuestión de unos pocos meses. Lo mismo con el coche autónomo y otras tantas ya mencionadas aquí.En cambio, tenemos promesas eternas y enormes cantidades de inversores cándidos metiendo pasta a saco sin que acabe de dar resultados contundentes.